[Beowulf] [External] Re: Your thoughts on the latest RHEL drama?

[Prentice Bisbal]

https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/

https://www.suse.com/news/SUSE-Preserves-Choice-in-Enterprise-Linux/

Prentice

On 6/28/23 5:20 PM, Jonathan Engwall wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 6:59 AM Gerald Henriksen <ghenriks at gmail.com> wrote:
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>     On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:27:23 -0400, you wrote:
>
>     >By now, most of you should have heard about Red Hat's latest to
>     >eliminate any competition to RHEL. If not, here's some links:
>
>     I think it is safer to say IBM's efforts.
>
>     >3. After RH starting contributing funding to GNOME development,
>     the next
>     >major version of RHEL didn't install other desktops during the
>     install.
>     >I remember RHEL saying this was a bug, but I've always suspected
>     it was
>     >a deliberate act to reduce KDE market share and and give RH
>     another area
>     >of the Linux ecosystem it could control.
>
>     I think that is unlikely given how unsuitable (at least in the Linux
>     world) long term stable distributions like RHEL are to the desktop
>     environment.
>
>     I always attributed that stuff to internal politics with the internal
>     Gnome team doing things to preserve their existence, particular when
>     they went different with Gnome 3.
>
>     >4. RH takes over control of CentOS, which at the time was the only
>     >competitor to RHEL.
>
>     It was more a case of Red Hat rescuing CentOS.
>
>     At the time the CentOS project was in trouble as they struggled and
>     failed to bring out their versions in anything like a timely manner
>     after the RHEL release.  I suspect the IBM version of Red Hat would
>     have just let CentOS fail.
>
>     >Not long after, RHEL eliminates CentOS as a competitor by
>     >changing it to "CentOS  Stream" so it's no longer a competitor to
>     RHEL.
>
>     No.
>
>     CentOS as part of Red Hat lasted almost 7 years (taken over by Red Hat
>     in January 2014, killed in December 2020)
>
>     Guesswork, but if IBM doesn't buy Red Hat it's possible CentOS still
>     exists.
>
>     >CentOS Stream is now a development version of sorts for RHEL, but I
>     >thought that was exactly what Fedora was for.
>
>     Recent discussion on Fedora mailing list has it as major version of
>     RHEL split off from Fedora but CentOS Stream is used for minor
>     versions.
>
>     How long this remains to be true is debatable.
>
>     Red Hat/IBM recently eliminated a paid position dealing with Fedora,
>     they have killed off LibreOffice in RHEL (by not replacing an
>     employee) and thus its future in Fedora is dependent on new
>     maintainers stepping up. 
>
>
> Rhetorical question, of course you have; have you ever simply 
> uninstalled a package as large as LibreOffice? Extremely bad things 
> happen. But no engineer responsible for the Red Hat image would be so 
> foolish. The fly on the wall may have stories to tell.
>
>     Red Hat/IBM has also been looking at
>     stretching the Fedora rules for their OpenJDK support in Fedora with a
>     unsaid threat of we could stop providing OpenJDK packages in Fedora.
>
>     Also Fedora went to BTRFS as a default file system even though Red Hat
>     stopped supporting it.
>
>     >With RH (and IBM?) so focused on market dominance/profits, it's
>     not a
>     >stretch to think they they'll eventually "say no" to supporting
>     anything
>     >other than x86 and POWER processors, since the other processors
>     don't
>     >have enough market share to make it profitable, or compete with
>     IBM's
>     >offerings.
>
>     ARM has a reasonable presence in the cloud providers and probably has
>     a bigger market share than POWER at this point.
>
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