[Beowulf] In appropriate post (was "In the news again HPC in Iceland")

Fri Sep 21 09:00:01 PDT 2012

A NATO bunker doesn't even have enough power to run 0.01% of the  
crunching power of BMW,
which is of course a lot larger, as far as generic crunching  
hardware, than what NCSA has in total.

Furthermore they wouldn't even run a single BMW program in Iceland  
without the prime minister of iceland
formally allowing machine gunned armed German soldiers defending that  
complex to avoid any
possible left US soldier of obtaining their biggest industrial  
secrets making it to US car industry.

And all this with a few internet cables to the seismic very active  
Iceland (over 3000 earth quakes a year or so,
what was it?), with cables which regurarly break, as i noticed myself  
as well when i was in Iceland.

30% of the time internet didn't even work for entire day to  
continental Europe.

Imagine that BMW has a week delay when a few icelanders try to fix  
the internet cable 3 KM down deep in the ocean,
needed to connect to Munchen when they try to fix a crucial thing in  
cars that have a problem now and need an upgrade...

That's losing Germany how many billions?

So let's not believe in fairy tales.

Don't make a joke out of German car industry by posting articles as  
if they would be able to carry out any of their huge HPC
calculations in Iceland. It's not even possible to carry out any  
serious calculation in Iceland and especially not in an old NATO  
bunker not
within German borders and not under their own nations control. Not a  
single German manager would even *consider* doing that.

On Sep 21, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote:

> No, you think it's a lie.
>
> This is inappropriate for this list.
>
> --
> Prentice
>
> On 09/21/2012 11:16 AM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>> you post something about HPC in iceleand, but we all know that's a  
>> lie.
>> That's what i wrote.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote:
>>
>>> Vincent,
>>>
>>> The beowulf mailing list is for discussing matters related Linux  
>>> beowulf
>>> clusters, and HPC in general. In practice, this list has always  
>>> allowed
>>> a lot of leeway and discussions often veer of tangentially into the
>>> science, technology, and the business/politics surrounding HPC.
>>>
>>> Even with the large amount of leeway observed on this list, your  
>>> post
>>> below is inappropriate. After reading it several times, your post
>>> appears to contain nothing more than a political attack on  
>>> Germany. I
>>> can find nothing in your post related to Linux clusters, HPC,  
>>> science or
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of forums on the Internet for discussing  
>>> politics. This
>>> is not one of them. Please post your political attacks elsewhere.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Prentice
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/21/2012 10:21 AM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>> Typical German marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Say A, do B.
>>>>
>>>> Knowing how German industry works, they probably will deploy one
>>>> computer there when they sell a few more BMW's in Iceland.
>>>> In the meantime their top secret crunching runs on browncoals in
>>>> Germany of course.
>>>>
>>>> A lot cheaper than 4.3 cents a kilowatt hour browncoals are.
>>>>
>>>> An article today in the newspaper suggested German Minister  
>>>> Altmaier
>>>> announced more or less he wants to quit solar panel
>>>> subsidies, and for now announces to dramatically lower it,
>>>> which of course in combination with getting rid of nuclear reactors
>>>> means they're gonna burn even more coals in Germany,
>>>> as *somewhere* they need this huge amount of energy for their
>>>> industry. We're speaking about a 50000 megawatt or so.
>>>>
>>>> Usually they calculate with householeds and ignore the 90-95% of
>>>> energy that companies and especially industry consumes...
>>>>
>>>> Germany is world champion in saying A and doing B.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Another news article about datacenters and HPC in Iceland.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Prentice
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2012-09-20/
>>>>> bmw_finds_cool_locale_for_hpc_cluster.html
>>>>> September 20, 2012
>>>>>
>>>>> BMW Finds Cool Locale for HPC Cluster
>>>>> Robert Gelber
>>>>>
>>>>> Automaker BMW is getting ready to deploy an HPC cluster to run
>>>>> simulations for designing it next-generation ultimate driving
>>>>> machines. As with any supercomputing installation, this one is
>>>>> bound to consume plenty of energy, which translates to high
>>>>> operational expenses. So the car company decided to search for an
>>>>> efficient and environmentally friendly plan to manage their  
>>>>> system.
>>>>> They settled on locating the machine at Verne Global’s Ásbrú
>>>>> datacenter in Iceland.
>>>>>
>>>>> September 20, 2012
>>>>> BMW Finds Cool Locale for HPC Cluster
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Gelber
>>>>>
>>>>> Automaker BMW is getting ready to deploy an HPC cluster to run
>>>>> simulations for designing it next-generation ultimate driving
>>>>> machines. As with any supercomputing installation, this one is
>>>>> bound to consume plenty of energy, which translates to high
>>>>> operational expenses. So the car company decided to search for an
>>>>> efficient and environmentally friendly plan to manage their  
>>>>> system.
>>>>> They settled on locating the machine at Verne Global’s Ásbrú
>>>>> datacenter in Iceland.
>>>>>
>>>>> The country has become an interesting option for datacenter users
>>>>> because of its perpetually cool climate and cheap energy.
>>>>> Electricity in the island nation costs roughly 4.3 cents per
>>>>> kilowatt-hour, thanks to an abundance of renewable energy sources.
>>>>> The country generates most of its electricity from glacier-fed
>>>>> rivers and geothermal vents. Given these resources, it’s no
>>>>> surprise that Verne Global decided to setup their large scale
>>>>> computing facility at an abandoned NATO Air Force base located in
>>>>> the city of Keflavík.
>>>>>
>>>>> Data Center Knowledge reported that Mario Mueller, BMW’s vice
>>>>> president of IT infrastructure and chair at the Open Data Center
>>>>> Alliance (ODCA), brought up the company’s plans at this year’s
>>>>> Intel Developer Forum. The car company will be Verne Global’s  
>>>>> fifth
>>>>> customer after CCP Games, Datapipe, Opin Kerfi and GreenQloud.  It
>>>>> will also follow ODCA usage models to guide the cluster’s build.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is certainly not the first time a company or organization has
>>>>> considered alternative approaches to providing energy and cooling
>>>>> to a large computing installation. Apple is utilizing solar panels
>>>>> and methane gas from a local landfill to generate electricity for
>>>>> their iCloud datacenter. The Texas Advanced Computing Center  
>>>>> (TACC)
>>>>> deployed a top 10 cluster in an oil submersion cooling system and
>>>>> Facebook built one of the world’s most efficient datacenters in
>>>>> Prineville Oregon using designs from the Open Compute Project.The
>>>>> country has become an interesting option for datacenter users
>>>>> because of its perpetually cool climate and cheap energy.
>>>>> Electricity in the island nation costs roughly 4.3 cents per
>>>>> kilowatt-hour, thanks to an abundance of renewable energy sources.
>>>>> The country generates most of its electricity from glacier-fed
>>>>> rivers and geothermal vents. Given these resources, it’s no
>>>>> surprise that Verne Global decided to setup their large scale
>>>>> computing facility at an abandoned NATO Air Force base located in
>>>>> the city of Keflavík.
>>>>>
>>>>> Data Center Knowledge reported that Mario Mueller, BMW’s vice
>>>>> president of IT infrastructure and chair at the Open Data Center
>>>>> Alliance (ODCA), brought up the company’s plans at this year’s
>>>>> Intel Developer Forum. The car company will be Verne Global’s  
>>>>> fifth
>>>>> customer after CCP Games, Datapipe, Opin Kerfi and GreenQloud.  It
>>>>> will also follow ODCA usage models to guide the cluster’s build.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is certainly not the first time a company or organization has
>>>>> considered alternative approaches to providing energy and cooling
>>>>> to a large computing installation. Apple is utilizing solar panels
>>>>> and methane gas from a local landfill to generate electricity for
>>>>> their iCloud datacenter. The Texas Advanced Computing Center  
>>>>> (TACC)
>>>>> deployed a top 10 cluster in an oil submersion cooling system and
>>>>> Facebook built one of the world’s most efficient datacenters in
>>>>> Prineville Oregon using designs from the Open Compute Project.
>>>>>
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