jcatana at gmail.com
Wed Oct 24 19:20:03 PDT 2012
As some working in HPC as an indefinite length contractor in the U.S. this
topic intrigues me. Even though the company I contract for has me training
their new employees and basically in control of everything in their
environment for the last 3 years, they refuse to hire me on directly
because I don't have a bachelors.
On Oct 24, 2012 9:51 PM, "Vincent Diepeveen" <diep at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On Oct 25, 2012, at 2:26 AM, Joe Landman wrote:
> > On 10/24/2012 12:40 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
> >> I bet in engineering and math type sciences plenty of funding from
> >> companies.
> > Think again.
> >> This lady was however in a more social area.
> >> So her statement is totally correct.
> >> I explain this, my words, as a feudal system where you have to take
> >> care for your own funding,
> >> either find a company to pay for it or some sort of organisation that
> >> pays for the spot.
> > Ahh ... but thats how it is everywhere ... you have to find a prof
> > with
> > funding or self fund.
> The USA has a capitalistic system sir.
> You shouldn't do as if that's a ton better than a feudal system,
> because you managed to cope with that yourself.
> A single huge well known university in USA has larger budget than all
> universities in Netherlands
> together, though average income later on of them right now isn't
> lower than what a person makes in
> the USA.
> This if you look at the GDP versus population size.
> Netherlands has a GDP estimate in 2011 of 832 billion. Note 2011 is a
> bad year in Europe.
> USA has a GDP estimate of 15.568 trillion for 2011.
> Netherlands has 16.73 million inhabitants.
> USA 313.8 million (july 2012 estimate)
> That's a difference in population size in factor of : 18.7567x
> Despite that 'bad year' in 2011 caused by EU not overspending 50%+
> like USA is doing (spending versus income),
> If we divide that 15.568 trillion by 18.756 = 830 billion euro.
> So Netherlands is doing better than USA currrently, and that without
> overspending bigtime like US government is doing.
> If we'd do that then of course it SEEMS as if it goes even better
> here, for just a few years...
> Yet income was 832 billion and more people study here at university
> per each 1000 inhabitants than in USA.
> That's a difference between a capitalistic system and the European
> socialistic model.
> So the university system really is using real little budget if we
> compare it to the US universities.
> >> Unpaid spots means of course effectively you have to pay your own
> >> housing, not cheap in UK,
> >> food and whatever you like to do during student life.
> > In the US, students survive on spaghetti and ramen noodles.
> > Bangers and
> > Mash in the UK? I'd hope the food options were better.
> > More seriously, grad students flock to the profs with grants to pay
> > for
> > them. Its hard to pay your own way here without means. I ran an IT
> > support operation in my spare time and had a number of clients.
> > Slight
> > impact upon my studies in terms of available time, but considering
> > that
> > TA/RA wages are sub-poverty level (at least when I was doing it), I
> > sorta had no choice.
> > --
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