<div dir="ltr">Rugged individuaiist? I like that... Me puts on plaid shirt and goes to wrestle with some bears,,,<div><br></div><div>> Maybe it is time for an HPC Linux distro, this is where<br></div><div>Good move. I would say a lightweight distro that does not do much nd is rebooted every time a job finishes.</div><div>Wonder what security types would think of that....</div><div><br></div><div>Sidelining the discussion a bit I have been involved with projects where security types insist on the entire stack for firmware upwards is kept up to date.<br></div><div>This feeds into the Redha debate of course - if we go Debian how do you satisfy corporate types? </div><div>i guess ubuntu has a role here.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 at 22:14, Douglas Eadline <<a href="mailto:deadline@eadline.org">deadline@eadline.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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A while ago, as a consultant, I managed an HPC cluster.<br>
The client was paying for RH licenses every year. (actually<br>
more than they were paying me). I asked them once "how often to you<br>
call RH with issues?" Their reply, "We don't, we call you<br>
because you understand HPC stuff."<br>
<br>
And of course, from the HW vendor, "you can't use that<br>
IB driver version because it has not been qualified to<br>
run on the hardware ... we only support RHEL version ..."<br>
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In my experience, RH has never brought much value HPC.<br>
I'm not blaming or shamming, it is just not their thing.<br>
I'm just not sure you will get much help calling support<br>
with and opensm issue or new IB driver.<br>
<br>
And as we all know, HPC has always been the home of<br>
the "rugged individualists" (or "stubborn assholes"<br>
not sure which) that do their own thing<br>
to make things work. It is the nature of the HPC game.<br>
<br>
Maybe it is time for an HPC Linux distro, this is where<br>
Scientific Linux seemed to be headed, but then was stopped because<br>
CentOS worked just as well. And Red Hat's latest move would have<br>
killed it in any case.<br>
<br>
This is a much longer discussion, but now I have to go<br>
step on garden rakes while figuring out how to get some<br>
small Java package to build with Gradle (don't ask).<br>
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--<br>
Doug<br>
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> We're all ears...<br>
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> Bill<br>
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> On 6/26/23 3:00 PM, Douglas Eadline wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I'll have more to say later and to me the irony of this situation is<br>
>> Red Hat has become what they were created to prevent*.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Doug<br>
>><br>
>> * per conversations with Bob Young back in the day<br>
> We're all ears...<br>
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