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<p>Alex, <br>
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<p>That's exactly my interpretation of the terms after I read them,
but since I'm not a lawyer, I recommended the user who was
contacted to consult our legal dept or purchasing, since they have
more experience with things like this. <br>
</p>
<p>Whenever I see moves like this, I immediately think of Red Hat,
and their shenanigans to make money off of Linux. First they
killed of Red Hat Linux when RHEL wasn't profitable enough, then
they took over CentOS and effectively made it so it couldn't
compete with RHEL.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Prentice Bisbal
Senior HPC Engineer
Computational Sciences Department
Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://cs.pppl.gov">https://cs.pppl.gov</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.pppl.gov">https://www.pppl.gov</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/22 12:43 PM, Alex Chekholko
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<div>Hi Prentice,</div>
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I believe their first goal is to cover the cost of outbound
bandwidth since they are a commercial entity and everyone pulls
packages from them and cloud egress is expensive. So their new
terms of service focus on people who mirror their repos. If
you're another commercial entity mirroring their repos and
presumably producing another commercial product based on that,
you should pay them something. All academic use is still free.
Primarily they are focused on other companies that have
commercial products that have anaconda under the hood.
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>AlexI find<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 9:11
AM Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf <<a
href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Recently, one of my users go this e-mail from a
commercial account rep at <a href="http://anaconda.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">anaconda.com</a>:</p>
<p> </p>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hi
[User]<br>
</span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I'm
reaching out because I've noticed we are one of
[Employer's Name]'s preferred tools and also to
offer guidance in navigating our new Anaconda
Terms of Service, as there are changes for the
commercial use of Anaconda. </span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Based
off my research, </span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[Employer's
Name]</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
is mirroring quite a few packages in the past few
months. </span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><br>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
remain deeply dedicated to OSS, and that cost is
funded by the long tail of our enterprise
products and users. In short, we changed our
Terms of Service to prohibit commercial use of
our Public Facing Repo (<a
href="http://repo.anaconda.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">repo.anaconda.com</a>)
channel without a paid license. </span></span></div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><br>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We'd
like to discuss how your organization can remain
compliant</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> and
discuss some options moving forward.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Are
you or someone in your IT department available
to chat?</span></span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> Book
time with me [link to online scheduling service
removed]</span></span><a rel="noopener
noreferrer"
href="https://anaconda.getoutreach.com/c/Cody_Foxwell"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></a><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Cheers,</span></span></div>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[salesperson's
name]<br>
</span></span></div>
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<p>Have any of you received an e-mail like this? <br>
</p>
<p>Since I work at an academic, government research site, I
don't think we fall into the commercial category, so I'm
pretty sure we're safe, but I still don't like this
attempt to monetize open-source software like this. I'm
not an open-source zealot like RMS, but I don't like when
people take open-source software, try to monetize it it
like this. <br>
</p>
<p>What's interesting is their approach here - they are not
trying to keep open-source software from your directly -
they're saying you can't use their *repo* to get that
software. So you can have your open-source software, but
to get it from the dealer to your house, you need to pay a
toll to use the roads. <br>
</p>
<p>I don't like this because many people now rely on conda,
and conda only has value because of the repo. If people
using conda knew that this might be a problem, perhaps
they would have stuck with the <a
href="http://python.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">python.org</a> distribution of
Python and pip. <br>
</p>
<p>The other think I don't like, is that you can't find any
of this information on the <a href="http://anaconda.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">anaconda.com</a>
website. Even after knowing these terms and conditions
applied, I couldn't find any warnings about this on the
product pages for the Anaconda Distribution. It's as if
they're deliberately hiding this information from
potential downloaders of Anaconda. I only found it by
going directly to <a href="https://repo.anaconda.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://repo.anaconda.com</a>,
where they do have links prominently displayed. </p>
<p>This seems like a trap to me. You download anaconda,
completely unaware of these terms and conditions, and then
use conda to install the packages you need, unknowingly
violating their license.. <br>
</p>
<p>Your thoughts? <br>
</p>
<p>Prentice<br>
</p>
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