<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Prentice,</div><div><br></div>I believe their first goal is to cover the cost of outbound bandwidth since they are a commercial entity and everyone pulls packages from them and cloud egress is expensive. So their new terms of service focus on people who mirror their repos. If you're another commercial entity mirroring their repos and presumably producing another commercial product based on that, you should pay them something. All academic use is still free. Primarily they are focused on other companies that have commercial products that have anaconda under the hood.<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Alex</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 9:11 AM Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf <<a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Recently, one of my users go this e-mail from a commercial
account rep at <a href="http://anaconda.com" target="_blank">anaconda.com</a>:</p>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hi
[User]<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I'm
reaching out because I've noticed we are one of
[Employer's Name]'s preferred tools and also to offer
guidance in navigating our new Anaconda Terms of
Service, as there are changes for the commercial use of
Anaconda. </span></span><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Based
off my research, </span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[Employer's
Name]</span></span><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
is mirroring quite a few packages in the past few months. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
remain deeply dedicated to OSS, and that cost is
funded by the long tail of our enterprise products and
users. In short, we changed our Terms of Service to
prohibit commercial use of our Public Facing Repo (<a href="http://repo.anaconda.com" target="_blank">repo.anaconda.com</a>)
channel without a paid license. </span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We'd
like to discuss how your organization can remain
compliant</span></span><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> and
discuss some options moving forward.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
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you or someone in your IT department available to
chat?</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> Book
time with me [link to online scheduling service
removed]</span></span><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://anaconda.getoutreach.com/c/Cody_Foxwell" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[salesperson's
name]<br>
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<p>Have any of you received an e-mail like this? <br>
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<p>Since I work at an academic, government research site, I don't
think we fall into the commercial category, so I'm pretty sure
we're safe, but I still don't like this attempt to monetize
open-source software like this. I'm not an open-source zealot like
RMS, but I don't like when people take open-source software, try
to monetize it it like this. <br>
</p>
<p>What's interesting is their approach here - they are not trying
to keep open-source software from your directly - they're saying
you can't use their *repo* to get that software. So you can have
your open-source software, but to get it from the dealer to your
house, you need to pay a toll to use the roads. <br>
</p>
<p>I don't like this because many people now rely on conda, and
conda only has value because of the repo. If people using conda
knew that this might be a problem, perhaps they would have stuck
with the <a href="http://python.org" target="_blank">python.org</a> distribution of Python and pip. <br>
</p>
<p>The other think I don't like, is that you can't find any of this
information on the <a href="http://anaconda.com" target="_blank">anaconda.com</a> website. Even after knowing these
terms and conditions applied, I couldn't find any warnings about
this on the product pages for the Anaconda Distribution. It's as
if they're deliberately hiding this information from potential
downloaders of Anaconda. I only found it by going directly to
<a href="https://repo.anaconda.com" target="_blank">https://repo.anaconda.com</a>, where they do have links prominently
displayed. </p>
<p>This seems like a trap to me. You download anaconda, completely
unaware of these terms and conditions, and then use conda to
install the packages you need, unknowingly violating their
license.. <br>
</p>
<p>Your thoughts? <br>
</p>
<p>Prentice<br>
</p>
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