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<p>I've got general negative thoughts about conda, based upon
$dayjob's use of it. I always enjoy trying to build something
which depends upon a conda-ized library which has been pooly
built/packaged ... yeah, good times.</p>
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</p>
<p>As for their bait and switch, they do need to cover network
costs, and if they are making the mistake of using cloud storage
for this, then their egress/storage costs are likely significant.
If you have to use them, and really have no choice in the matter,
it is better to support them and enable them to stay in business,
than let them whither and die. The latter guarantees some future
flag days where you have to start switching out quickly.</p>
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<p>Hence a point about a plan B ... <br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/22 12:11, Prentice Bisbal via
Beowulf wrote:<br>
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<p>Recently, one of my users go this e-mail from a commercial
account rep at anaconda.com:</p>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hi
[User]<br>
</span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I'm
reaching out because I've noticed we are one of
[Employer's Name]'s preferred tools and also to offer
guidance in navigating our new Anaconda Terms of
Service, as there are changes for the commercial use of
Anaconda. </span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Based
off my research, </span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[Employer's
Name]</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
is mirroring quite a few packages in the past few months. </span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><br>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
remain deeply dedicated to OSS, and that cost is
funded by the long tail of our enterprise products and
users. In short, we changed our Terms of Service to
prohibit commercial use of our Public Facing Repo (<a
href="http://repo.anaconda.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">repo.anaconda.com</a>)
channel without a paid license. </span></span></div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><br>
</div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We'd
like to discuss how your organization can remain
compliant</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> and
discuss some options moving forward.</span></div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Are
you or someone in your IT department available to
chat?</span></span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> Book
time with me [link to online scheduling service
removed]</span></span><a rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="https://anaconda.getoutreach.com/c/Cody_Foxwell"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></a><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Cheers,</span></span></div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[salesperson's
name]<br>
</span></span></div>
</div>
</div>
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<p>Have any of you received an e-mail like this? <br>
</p>
<p>Since I work at an academic, government research site, I don't
think we fall into the commercial category, so I'm pretty sure
we're safe, but I still don't like this attempt to monetize
open-source software like this. I'm not an open-source zealot
like RMS, but I don't like when people take open-source
software, try to monetize it it like this. <br>
</p>
<p>What's interesting is their approach here - they are not trying
to keep open-source software from your directly - they're saying
you can't use their *repo* to get that software. So you can have
your open-source software, but to get it from the dealer to your
house, you need to pay a toll to use the roads. <br>
</p>
<p>I don't like this because many people now rely on conda, and
conda only has value because of the repo. If people using conda
knew that this might be a problem, perhaps they would have stuck
with the python.org distribution of Python and pip. <br>
</p>
<p>The other think I don't like, is that you can't find any of
this information on the anaconda.com website. Even after knowing
these terms and conditions applied, I couldn't find any warnings
about this on the product pages for the Anaconda Distribution.
It's as if they're deliberately hiding this information from
potential downloaders of Anaconda. I only found it by going
directly to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://repo.anaconda.com" moz-do-not-send="true">https://repo.anaconda.com</a>,
where they do have links prominently displayed. </p>
<p>This seems like a trap to me. You download anaconda, completely
unaware of these terms and conditions, and then use conda to
install the packages you need, unknowingly violating their
license.. <br>
</p>
<p>Your thoughts? <br>
</p>
<p>Prentice<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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