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    <p>I've got general negative thoughts about conda, based upon
      $dayjob's use of it.  I always enjoy trying to build something
      which depends upon a conda-ized library which has been pooly
      built/packaged ... yeah, good times.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>As for their bait and switch, they do need to cover network
      costs, and if they are making the mistake of using cloud storage
      for this, then their egress/storage costs are likely significant. 
      If you have to use them, and really have no choice in the matter,
      it is better to support them and enable them to stay in business,
      than let them whither and die.  The latter guarantees some future
      flag days where you have to start switching out quickly.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Hence a point about a plan B ...  <br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/22 12:11, Prentice Bisbal via
      Beowulf wrote:<br>
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      <p>Recently, one of my users go this e-mail from a commercial
        account rep at anaconda.com:</p>
      <p> </p>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hi
              [User]<br>
            </span></span></div>
        <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
          <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
          <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I'm
                reaching out because I've noticed we are one of
                [Employer's Name]'s preferred tools and also to offer
                guidance in navigating our new Anaconda Terms of
                Service, as there are changes for the commercial use of
                Anaconda. </span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Based
              off my research, </span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[Employer's
                Name]</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
              is mirroring quite a few packages in the past few months. </span></div>
          <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><br>
            <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
                  remain deeply dedicated to OSS, and that cost is
                  funded by the long tail of our enterprise products and
                  users. In short, we changed our Terms of Service to
                  prohibit commercial use of our Public Facing Repo (<a
                    href="http://repo.anaconda.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">repo.anaconda.com</a>)
                  channel without a paid license. </span></span></div>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><br>
          </div>
        </div>
        <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
          <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
            <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We'd
                  like to discuss how your organization can remain
                  compliant</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> and
                discuss some options moving forward.</span></div>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
          <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
            <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Are
                  you or someone in your IT department available to
                  chat?</span></span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> Book
                  time with me [link to online scheduling service
                  removed]</span></span><a rel="noopener noreferrer"
                href="https://anaconda.getoutreach.com/c/Cody_Foxwell"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></a><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></div>
            <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
            <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Cheers,</span></span></div>
          </div>
          <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
            <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[salesperson's
                  name]<br>
                </span></span></div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <p>Have any of you received an e-mail like this? <br>
      </p>
      <p>Since I work at an academic, government research site, I don't
        think we fall into the commercial category, so I'm pretty sure
        we're safe, but I still don't like this attempt to monetize
        open-source software like this. I'm not an open-source zealot
        like RMS, but I don't like when people take open-source
        software, try to monetize it it like this. <br>
      </p>
      <p>What's interesting is their approach here - they are not trying
        to keep open-source software from your directly - they're saying
        you can't use their *repo* to get that software. So you can have
        your open-source software, but to get it from the dealer to your
        house, you need to pay a toll to use the roads. <br>
      </p>
      <p>I don't like this because many people now rely on conda, and
        conda only has value because of the repo. If people using conda
        knew that this might be a problem, perhaps they would have stuck
        with the python.org distribution of Python and pip. <br>
      </p>
      <p>The other think I don't like, is that you can't find any of
        this information on the anaconda.com website. Even after knowing
        these terms and conditions applied, I couldn't find any warnings
        about this on the product pages for the Anaconda Distribution.
        It's as if they're deliberately hiding this information from
        potential downloaders of Anaconda. I only found it by going
        directly to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://repo.anaconda.com" moz-do-not-send="true">https://repo.anaconda.com</a>,
        where they do have links prominently displayed. </p>
      <p>This seems like a trap to me. You download anaconda, completely
        unaware of these terms and conditions, and then use conda to
        install the packages you need, unknowingly violating their
        license.. <br>
      </p>
      <p>Your thoughts? <br>
      </p>
      <p>Prentice<br>
      </p>
      <p><br>
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e: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:joe.landman@gmail.com">joe.landman@gmail.com</a>
t: @hpcjoe
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g: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/joelandman">https://github.com/joelandman</a>
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