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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/22 12:57 PM, Joe Landman wrote:<br>
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<p>I've got general negative thoughts about conda, based upon
$dayjob's use of it. I always enjoy trying to build something
which depends upon a conda-ized library which has been pooly
built/packaged ... yeah, good times.</p>
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You mean like when conda sits there for 15-20 minutes and then
finally comes to live only to tell you it can't solve an
environment? Never happens. ;) <br>
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<p>As for their bait and switch, they do need to cover network
costs, and if they are making the mistake of using cloud storage
for this, then their egress/storage costs are likely
significant. If you have to use them, and really have no choice
in the matter, it is better to support them and enable them to
stay in business, than let them whither and die. The latter
guarantees some future flag days where you have to start
switching out quickly.</p>
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I get they need to make money. I just don't like when companies
decide they're going to make money off of open-source software and
then when their original business model fails they change models.
I'm all for supporting open-source, and I've worked at several
companies that really supported supporting open-source, either by
allowing employees to develop for open-source projects as part of
their job, or paying for support contracts that we might not really
need just to support the open-source product. I'm more bothered by
the how rather than the what or why in this case. <br>
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<p>Hence a point about a plan B ... <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/22 12:11, Prentice Bisbal via
Beowulf wrote:<br>
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<p>Recently, one of my users go this e-mail from a commercial
account rep at anaconda.com:</p>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hi
[User]<br>
</span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I'm
reaching out because I've noticed we are one of
[Employer's Name]'s preferred tools and also to offer
guidance in navigating our new Anaconda Terms of
Service, as there are changes for the commercial use
of Anaconda. </span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Based
off my research, </span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[Employer's
Name]</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
is mirroring quite a few packages in the past few
months. </span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><br>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
remain deeply dedicated to OSS, and that cost is
funded by the long tail of our enterprise products
and users. In short, we changed our Terms of Service
to prohibit commercial use of our Public Facing Repo
(<a href="http://repo.anaconda.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">repo.anaconda.com</a>)
channel without a paid license. </span></span></div>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We'd
like to discuss how your organization can remain
compliant</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> and
discuss some options moving forward.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
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style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Are
you or someone in your IT department available to
chat?</span></span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> Book
time with me [link to online scheduling service
removed]</span></span><a rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="https://anaconda.getoutreach.com/c/Cody_Foxwell"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></a><span
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style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
<div><span
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style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Cheers,</span></span></div>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[salesperson's
name]<br>
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<p>Have any of you received an e-mail like this? <br>
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<p>Since I work at an academic, government research site, I
don't think we fall into the commercial category, so I'm
pretty sure we're safe, but I still don't like this attempt to
monetize open-source software like this. I'm not an
open-source zealot like RMS, but I don't like when people take
open-source software, try to monetize it it like this. <br>
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<p>What's interesting is their approach here - they are not
trying to keep open-source software from your directly -
they're saying you can't use their *repo* to get that
software. So you can have your open-source software, but to
get it from the dealer to your house, you need to pay a toll
to use the roads. <br>
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<p>I don't like this because many people now rely on conda, and
conda only has value because of the repo. If people using
conda knew that this might be a problem, perhaps they would
have stuck with the python.org distribution of Python and pip.
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<p>The other think I don't like, is that you can't find any of
this information on the anaconda.com website. Even after
knowing these terms and conditions applied, I couldn't find
any warnings about this on the product pages for the Anaconda
Distribution. It's as if they're deliberately hiding this
information from potential downloaders of Anaconda. I only
found it by going directly to <a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://repo.anaconda.com" moz-do-not-send="true">https://repo.anaconda.com</a>,
where they do have links prominently displayed. </p>
<p>This seems like a trap to me. You download anaconda,
completely unaware of these terms and conditions, and then use
conda to install the packages you need, unknowingly violating
their license.. <br>
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<p>Your thoughts? <br>
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<p>Prentice<br>
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