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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/22 12:57 PM, Joe Landman wrote:<br>
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      <p>I've got general negative thoughts about conda, based upon
        $dayjob's use of it.  I always enjoy trying to build something
        which depends upon a conda-ized library which has been pooly
        built/packaged ... yeah, good times.</p>
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    You mean like when conda sits there for 15-20 minutes and then
    finally comes to live only to tell you it can't solve an
    environment? Never happens. ;) <br>
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      <p>As for their bait and switch, they do need to cover network
        costs, and if they are making the mistake of using cloud storage
        for this, then their egress/storage costs are likely
        significant.  If you have to use them, and really have no choice
        in the matter, it is better to support them and enable them to
        stay in business, than let them whither and die.  The latter
        guarantees some future flag days where you have to start
        switching out quickly.</p>
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    I get they need to make money. I just don't like when companies
    decide they're going to make money off of open-source software and
    then when their original business model fails they change models.
    I'm all for supporting open-source, and I've worked at several
    companies that really supported supporting open-source, either by
    allowing employees to develop for open-source projects as part of
    their job, or paying for support contracts that we might not really
    need just to support the open-source product. I'm more bothered by
    the how rather than the what or why in this case. <br>
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      <p>Hence a point about a plan B ...  <br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/22 12:11, Prentice Bisbal via
        Beowulf wrote:<br>
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        <p>Recently, one of my users go this e-mail from a commercial
          account rep at anaconda.com:</p>
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          <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hi
                [User]<br>
              </span></span></div>
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            <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
            <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I'm
                  reaching out because I've noticed we are one of
                  [Employer's Name]'s preferred tools and also to offer
                  guidance in navigating our new Anaconda Terms of
                  Service, as there are changes for the commercial use
                  of Anaconda. </span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Based
                off my research, </span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[Employer's
                  Name]</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                is mirroring quite a few packages in the past few
                months. </span></div>
            <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><br>
              <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We
                    remain deeply dedicated to OSS, and that cost is
                    funded by the long tail of our enterprise products
                    and users. In short, we changed our Terms of Service
                    to prohibit commercial use of our Public Facing Repo
                    (<a href="http://repo.anaconda.com" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">repo.anaconda.com</a>)
                    channel without a paid license. </span></span></div>
            </div>
            <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><br>
            </div>
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          <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt">
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              <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">We'd
                    like to discuss how your organization can remain
                    compliant</span></span><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> and
                  discuss some options moving forward.</span></div>
            </div>
            <div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
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              <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Are
                    you or someone in your IT department available to
                    chat?</span></span><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> Book
                    time with me [link to online scheduling service
                    removed]</span></span><a rel="noopener noreferrer"
                  href="https://anaconda.getoutreach.com/c/Cody_Foxwell"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></a><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></span></span></div>
              <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span></span></div>
              <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Cheers,</span></span></div>
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              <div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"><span
style="line-height:normal;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[salesperson's
                    name]<br>
                  </span></span></div>
            </div>
          </div>
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        <p>Have any of you received an e-mail like this? <br>
        </p>
        <p>Since I work at an academic, government research site, I
          don't think we fall into the commercial category, so I'm
          pretty sure we're safe, but I still don't like this attempt to
          monetize open-source software like this. I'm not an
          open-source zealot like RMS, but I don't like when people take
          open-source software, try to monetize it it like this. <br>
        </p>
        <p>What's interesting is their approach here - they are not
          trying to keep open-source software from your directly -
          they're saying you can't use their *repo* to get that
          software. So you can have your open-source software, but to
          get it from the dealer to your house, you need to pay a toll
          to use the roads. <br>
        </p>
        <p>I don't like this because many people now rely on conda, and
          conda only has value because of the repo. If people using
          conda knew that this might be a problem, perhaps they would
          have stuck with the python.org distribution of Python and pip.
          <br>
        </p>
        <p>The other think I don't like, is that you can't find any of
          this information on the anaconda.com website. Even after
          knowing these terms and conditions applied, I couldn't find
          any warnings about this on the product pages for the Anaconda
          Distribution. It's as if they're deliberately hiding this
          information from potential downloaders of Anaconda. I only
          found it by going directly to <a
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://repo.anaconda.com" moz-do-not-send="true">https://repo.anaconda.com</a>,
          where they do have links prominently displayed. </p>
        <p>This seems like a trap to me. You download anaconda,
          completely unaware of these terms and conditions, and then use
          conda to install the packages you need, unknowingly violating
          their license.. <br>
        </p>
        <p>Your thoughts? <br>
        </p>
        <p>Prentice<br>
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