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    <p>When I've had RHEL and the support that came with it, I've only
      used it a few times, and believe the response every time was a
      "won't fix". Always made me wonder what we were paying for in the
      first place. <br>
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    <p>Prentice<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/9/20 5:44 PM, Lance Wilson via
      Beowulf wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Rolling is not ideal when you have to compile
        software against the installed libraries or kernels. If you have
        or are running Arch Linux you will know what I'm talking about.
        There are regular niggles with things, especially with compiling
        your own software that needs recompiles pretty regularly.
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        <div>It is very strange they have gone from stable controlled
          releases to basically the complete opposite. I'm actually
          grateful though to have such a strong reason to move on, as we
          have had quite a number of issues with Redhat support where
          bugs can't/won't be patched. Also if we move to Ubuntu or
          Debian we will be much closer to the development environments
          for most of our researchers.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 20:30,
          Jonathan Aquilina via Beowulf <<a
            href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org" moz-do-not-send="true">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>>
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0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Seeing
          that it will be a rolling distribution I don’t see that as a
          bad thing in all honesty. Is there something that one needs to
          be weary about with a rolling distro?<br>
          <br>
          Regards,<br>
          Jonathan<br>
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          -----Original Message-----<br>
          From: Beowulf <<a href="mailto:beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org</a>>
          On Behalf Of Andrew M.A. Cater<br>
          Sent: 09 December 2020 10:24<br>
          To: <a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">beowulf@beowulf.org</a><br>
          Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]<br>
          <br>
          On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 05:59:11AM +0000, Jonathan Aquilina
          via Beowulf wrote:<br>
          > Hi Guys,<br>
          > <br>
          > Im probably a bit late to the party. What is going on
          with CentOS? As I am not quite understanding whats happening.<br>
          > <br>
          > To be fair I am at the point where I am running through
          my mind the <br>
          > creation of my own distro based off fedora/Centos Stream
          (once I know <br>
          > what it is)<br>
          > <br>
          > For me the biggest thing for sticking with Centos and
          RHEL derivatives <br>
          > is due to security features like SEL amongst other things
          as well <br>
          > there are some interesting developments that I need to
          try out such as <br>
          > podman (docker alternative)<br>
          > <br>
          > Regards,<br>
          > Jonathan<br>
          > <br>
          <br>
          SE Linux - is supported in other distributions now. If you
          have to have it - Government / big lab - it's probably Red Hat
          or nothing, but there are alternatives (and Red Hat / Oracle
          are often last to the party with other CVE fixing).<br>
          <br>
          CentOS - going away, EOL as CentOS 2021 rather than 2029. <br>
          CentOS Streams becoming a rolling distribution feeding the six
          monthly RH update. <br>
          <br>
          Andy C<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          > From: Beowulf <<a
            href="mailto:beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">beowulf-bounces@beowulf.org</a>>
          On Behalf Of Tim Cutts<br>
          > Sent: 09 December 2020 02:08<br>
          > To: Prentice Bisbal <<a href="mailto:pbisbal@pppl.gov"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pbisbal@pppl.gov</a>><br>
          > Cc: Beowulf <<a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>><br>
          > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]<br>
          > <br>
          > I don’t know how often we ever actually used Red Hat
          support for RHEL itself.  Very rarely, I suspect.  Even before
          they hiked the price on us, I expect we effectively paid them
          several thousand dollars per support call.<br>
          > <br>
          > Some of the other products, like RH OpenStack Platform,
          yes, but not for the OS itself.<br>
          > <br>
          > Tim<br>
          > <br>
          > <br>
          > On 8 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf <<a
            href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">beowulf@beowulf.org</a><mailto:<a
            href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>>>
          wrote:<br>
          > <br>
          > I think it has mostly to do with user support. The
          biggest innovation on moving from Red Hat Linux to Red Hat
          *Enterprise* Linux was the addition of user support.
          Corporations like having someone to call when something goes
          wrong. No one wants to hear "read the source" when the
          corporate mailserver is down and 5,000 employees are no longer
          productive.<br>
          > <br>
          > Red Hat providing user support was actually a big deal
          for the Linux community. In the early days of Linux, many 3rd
          parties tried to make Linux acceptable to corporate users by
          providing Linux support services, but they never really
          caught. Probably because they weren't tied to a particular
          distro, so they weren't perceived as as "expert" as when the
          vendor itself is providing support.<br>
          > <br>
          > On top of that, Red Hat worked with hardware and software
          vendors to get them to support their products on Red Hat. It
          wasn't long after RHEL was introduced that you started seeing
          hardware and software advertising that it was supported on
          RHEL.<br>
          > <br>
          > Combine these two, and you have a recipe for success:
          People are more likely to use a version of Linux that comes
          with user support and that they know is supported by the
          hardware/software they use.<br>
          > <br>
          > To this day, I rarely see hardware/software
          advertised/documented as supporting anything other than RHEL.
          Fortunately, many of those vendors would treat CentOS and
          Scientific Linux the same as RHEL for support reasons. At
          least that has been my experience.<br>
          > <br>
          > Prentice<br>
          > <br>
          > On 12/8/20 4:50 PM, Jörg Saßmannshausen wrote:<br>
          > <br>
          > Dear all,<br>
          > <br>
          > what I never understood is: why are people not using
          Debian?<br>
          > <br>
          > I done some cluster installation (up to 100 or so nodes)
          with Debian, <br>
          > more or less out of the box, and I did not have any issue
          with it. I <br>
          > admit, I might have missed out something I don't know
          about, the <br>
          > famous unkown-unkowns, but by enlarge the clusters were
          running rock solid with no unusual problem.<br>
          > I did not use Lustre or GPFS etc. on it, I only played
          around a bit <br>
          > with BeeFS and some GlusterFS in a small scale.<br>
          > <br>
          > Just wondering, as people mentioned Ubuntu.<br>
          > <br>
          > All the best from a dark London<br>
          > <br>
          > Jörg<br>
          > <br>
          > Am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020, 21:12:02 GMT schrieb
          Christopher Samuel:<br>
          > <br>
          > On 12/8/20 1:06 pm, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf wrote:<br>
          > <br>
          > I wouldn't be surprised if this causes Scientific Linux
          to come back <br>
          > into existence.<br>
          > It sounds like Greg K is already talking about CentOS-NG
          (via the ACM <br>
          > SIGHPC syspro Slack):<br>
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