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<p>When I've had RHEL and the support that came with it, I've only
used it a few times, and believe the response every time was a
"won't fix". Always made me wonder what we were paying for in the
first place. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Rolling is not ideal when you have to compile
software against the installed libraries or kernels. If you have
or are running Arch Linux you will know what I'm talking about.
There are regular niggles with things, especially with compiling
your own software that needs recompiles pretty regularly.
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<div>It is very strange they have gone from stable controlled
releases to basically the complete opposite. I'm actually
grateful though to have such a strong reason to move on, as we
have had quite a number of issues with Redhat support where
bugs can't/won't be patched. Also if we move to Ubuntu or
Debian we will be much closer to the development environments
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 20:30,
Jonathan Aquilina via Beowulf <<a
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0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Seeing
that it will be a rolling distribution I don’t see that as a
bad thing in all honesty. Is there something that one needs to
be weary about with a rolling distro?<br>
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Regards,<br>
Jonathan<br>
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Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]<br>
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On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 05:59:11AM +0000, Jonathan Aquilina
via Beowulf wrote:<br>
> Hi Guys,<br>
> <br>
> Im probably a bit late to the party. What is going on
with CentOS? As I am not quite understanding whats happening.<br>
> <br>
> To be fair I am at the point where I am running through
my mind the <br>
> creation of my own distro based off fedora/Centos Stream
(once I know <br>
> what it is)<br>
> <br>
> For me the biggest thing for sticking with Centos and
RHEL derivatives <br>
> is due to security features like SEL amongst other things
as well <br>
> there are some interesting developments that I need to
try out such as <br>
> podman (docker alternative)<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jonathan<br>
> <br>
<br>
SE Linux - is supported in other distributions now. If you
have to have it - Government / big lab - it's probably Red Hat
or nothing, but there are alternatives (and Red Hat / Oracle
are often last to the party with other CVE fixing).<br>
<br>
CentOS - going away, EOL as CentOS 2021 rather than 2029. <br>
CentOS Streams becoming a rolling distribution feeding the six
monthly RH update. <br>
<br>
Andy C<br>
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> Sent: 09 December 2020 02:08<br>
> To: Prentice Bisbal <<a href="mailto:pbisbal@pppl.gov"
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> Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]<br>
> <br>
> I don’t know how often we ever actually used Red Hat
support for RHEL itself. Very rarely, I suspect. Even before
they hiked the price on us, I expect we effectively paid them
several thousand dollars per support call.<br>
> <br>
> Some of the other products, like RH OpenStack Platform,
yes, but not for the OS itself.<br>
> <br>
> Tim<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 8 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf <<a
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> <br>
> I think it has mostly to do with user support. The
biggest innovation on moving from Red Hat Linux to Red Hat
*Enterprise* Linux was the addition of user support.
Corporations like having someone to call when something goes
wrong. No one wants to hear "read the source" when the
corporate mailserver is down and 5,000 employees are no longer
productive.<br>
> <br>
> Red Hat providing user support was actually a big deal
for the Linux community. In the early days of Linux, many 3rd
parties tried to make Linux acceptable to corporate users by
providing Linux support services, but they never really
caught. Probably because they weren't tied to a particular
distro, so they weren't perceived as as "expert" as when the
vendor itself is providing support.<br>
> <br>
> On top of that, Red Hat worked with hardware and software
vendors to get them to support their products on Red Hat. It
wasn't long after RHEL was introduced that you started seeing
hardware and software advertising that it was supported on
RHEL.<br>
> <br>
> Combine these two, and you have a recipe for success:
People are more likely to use a version of Linux that comes
with user support and that they know is supported by the
hardware/software they use.<br>
> <br>
> To this day, I rarely see hardware/software
advertised/documented as supporting anything other than RHEL.
Fortunately, many of those vendors would treat CentOS and
Scientific Linux the same as RHEL for support reasons. At
least that has been my experience.<br>
> <br>
> Prentice<br>
> <br>
> On 12/8/20 4:50 PM, Jörg Saßmannshausen wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Dear all,<br>
> <br>
> what I never understood is: why are people not using
Debian?<br>
> <br>
> I done some cluster installation (up to 100 or so nodes)
with Debian, <br>
> more or less out of the box, and I did not have any issue
with it. I <br>
> admit, I might have missed out something I don't know
about, the <br>
> famous unkown-unkowns, but by enlarge the clusters were
running rock solid with no unusual problem.<br>
> I did not use Lustre or GPFS etc. on it, I only played
around a bit <br>
> with BeeFS and some GlusterFS in a small scale.<br>
> <br>
> Just wondering, as people mentioned Ubuntu.<br>
> <br>
> All the best from a dark London<br>
> <br>
> Jörg<br>
> <br>
> Am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020, 21:12:02 GMT schrieb
Christopher Samuel:<br>
> <br>
> On 12/8/20 1:06 pm, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf wrote:<br>
> <br>
> I wouldn't be surprised if this causes Scientific Linux
to come back <br>
> into existence.<br>
> It sounds like Greg K is already talking about CentOS-NG
(via the ACM <br>
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