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I don’t know how often we ever actually used Red Hat support for RHEL itself. Very rarely, I suspect. Even before they hiked the price on us, I expect we effectively paid them several thousand dollars per support call.
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<div class="">Some of the other products, like RH OpenStack Platform, yes, but not for the OS itself.</div>
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<div class="">On 8 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf <<a href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org" class="">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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think it has mostly to do with user support. The biggest innovation on moving from Red Hat Linux to Red Hat *Enterprise* Linux was the addition of user support. Corporations like having someone to call when something goes wrong. No one wants to hear "read
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Hat providing user support was actually a big deal for the Linux community. In the early days of Linux, many 3rd parties tried to make Linux acceptable to corporate users by providing Linux support services, but they never really caught. Probably because they
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top of that, Red Hat worked with hardware and software vendors to get them to support their products on Red Hat. It wasn't long after RHEL was introduced that you started seeing hardware and software advertising that it was supported on RHEL.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
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these two, and you have a recipe for success: People are more likely to use a version of Linux that comes with user support and that they know is supported by the hardware/software they use.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
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this day, I rarely see hardware/software advertised/documented as supporting anything other than RHEL. Fortunately, many of those vendors would treat CentOS and Scientific Linux the same as RHEL for support reasons. At least that has been my experience.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
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what I never understood is: why are people not using Debian?<br class="">
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I done some cluster installation (up to 100 or so nodes) with Debian, more or<br class="">
less out of the box, and I did not have any issue with it. I admit, I might<br class="">
have missed out something I don't know about, the famous unkown-unkowns, but<br class="">
by enlarge the clusters were running rock solid with no unusual problem.<br class="">
I did not use Lustre or GPFS etc. on it, I only played around a bit with BeeFS<br class="">
and some GlusterFS in a small scale.<br class="">
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Just wondering, as people mentioned Ubuntu.<br class="">
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All the best from a dark London<br class="">
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Am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020, 21:12:02 GMT schrieb Christopher Samuel:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">On 12/8/20 1:06 pm, Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf wrote:<br class="">
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Limited, a charity registered in England with number 1021457 and a
company registered in England with number 2742969, whose registered
office is 215 Euston Road, London, NW1 2BE.
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