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<p>Sorry, I missed this part in the article :</p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The next question about the
battery has a surprisingly simple answer: this will work only
while the charger is plugged in. Likewise for the data-plan
question: this works only when the phone is connected via
WiFi, meaning that it doesn’t chew up data-plan data ever. So
they guarantee, with clear text, that participating will not
drain your battery and will not overrun your data plan.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Anyway, that seems to me to be an
optimistic point of view (for the battery sentence).<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 28/11/2019 à 12:32, Dernat Rémy a
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Moreover, there is an environmental and a network cost for
this. eg : is it worth spending half an hour or less, computing
and transferring data on a small and old smartphone connected in
3g or less at the opposite side of the world ?</p>
<p>I mean, maybe there is some sort of checking when you install
this software : scanning your connection type and and your
smartphone performances prerequisites (not just if it can be or
cannot be installed on your OS) (...); but I think there is no
such thing like this.<br>
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<p>Best regards,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 27/11/2019 à 19:19, Chuck Petras a
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<p class="MsoNormal">My question re financial viability was
prompted by this statement in the Neocortix article:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“And phone owners could be paid for the
service to rent out their phones’ computing capacity.
Neocortix claims on their website that top users can earn up
to $80 a year for a phone that’s engaged in computing for 8
hours a day; if available for 24 hours, it can earn up to
$240 a year.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So that works out to around
US$0.023/hour.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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moz-do-not-send="true"><meatheadmerlin@gmail.com></a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chuck Petras <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Chuck_Petras@selinc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><Chuck_Petras@selinc.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Beowulf@beowulf.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Beowulf@beowulf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Beowulf] Is Crowd Computing the
Next Big Thing?<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:red">[Caution -
External]</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">The technology for this
type of distributed computing already has a
large community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">The BOINC Project
(Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network
Computing) has existed since 2002 and allows
people to donate idle computing time to
large science and math computation projects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">They have clients to run
on many types of platforms with a system of
job servers that can benchmark and customize
workloads to the device/processors
(CPUs/GPUs) participating. Clients that
exist to participate already range from
desktops and tablets to game systems like
PS3, abstracting calculations from platforms
and processors, and sometimes available to
run in virtual box on a machine to keep them
separate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">It could be nice to earn
a return on this type of computation,
current projects through BOINC are largely
in the realm of university research and all
participant volunteer their resources. I'm
not sure what types of commercial work loads
might be willing to pay for this type of
computing resource. It does seem to limit
types of jobs to data sets that can be batch
divided into parallel units, to work large
problem spaces. That brings to mind more
research uses, and not many commercial uses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Perhaps computational
modeling for research and development (like
failure testing several potential models),
or analysis of geological mining survey
data, or process flow analysis for large
manufacturing and distribution systems. But
it makes me think most of marketing analysis
with the current focus in big data projects
from corporate environments I see in
articles and instructional materials.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at
3:19 PM Chuck Petras <<a
href="mailto:Chuck_Petras@selinc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Chuck_Petras@selinc.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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the below where a company wants to rent
your smartphone as a cloud computing
resource. From a few years ago there was a
company making space heaters that
contained servers to compute and heat your
house.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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there any classes of problems that would
be monitizeable in a grid computing
environment to make those efforts
financially viable?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Is
Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?<o:p></o:p></p>
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href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.eejournal.com/article/is-crowd-computing-the-next-big-thing/__;!!O7uE89YCNVw!aBA6JvXJVeTYPiR7XUISlTfbqlUnZGLH634oJJbWujko80pF47ttb8cAt156typL8Uk$"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.eejournal.com/article/is-crowd-computing-the-next-big-thing/
[eejournal.com]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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houses with 'nerd power'<o:p></o:p></p>
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href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32816775__;!!O7uE89YCNVw!aBA6JvXJVeTYPiR7XUISlTfbqlUnZGLH634oJJbWujko80pF47ttb8cAt156SXzPLf0$"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32816775#
[bbc.com]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Chuck
Petras, PE**<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Schweitzer
Engineering Laboratories, Inc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Pullman,
WA 99163 USA<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="http://www.selinc.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.selinc.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">SEL
Synchrophasors - A New View of the Power
System <<a
href="http://synchrophasor.selinc.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://synchrophasor.selinc.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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Electric Power Safer, More Reliable, and
More Economical (R)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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Registered in Oregon.<o:p></o:p></p>
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