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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Moreover, there is an environmental and a network cost for this.
eg : is it worth spending half an hour or less, computing and
transferring data on a small and old smartphone connected in 3g or
less at the opposite side of the world ?</p>
<p>I mean, maybe there is some sort of checking when you install
this software : scanning your connection type and and your
smartphone performances prerequisites (not just if it can be or
cannot be installed on your OS) (...); but I think there is no
such thing like this.<br>
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<p>Best regards,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 27/11/2019 à 19:19, Chuck Petras a
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<p class="MsoNormal">My question re financial viability was
prompted by this statement in the Neocortix article:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“And phone owners could be paid for the
service to rent out their phones’ computing capacity.
Neocortix claims on their website that top users can earn up
to $80 a year for a phone that’s engaged in computing for 8
hours a day; if available for 24 hours, it can earn up to $240
a year.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So that works out to around US$0.023/hour.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> William Johnson
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:meatheadmerlin@gmail.com"><meatheadmerlin@gmail.com></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chuck Petras <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Chuck_Petras@selinc.com"><Chuck_Petras@selinc.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Beowulf@beowulf.org">Beowulf@beowulf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Beowulf] Is Crowd Computing the Next
Big Thing?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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type of distributed computing already has a
large community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">The BOINC Project (Berkeley
Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) has
existed since 2002 and allows people to donate
idle computing time to large science and math
computation projects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">They have clients to run on
many types of platforms with a system of job
servers that can benchmark and customize
workloads to the device/processors (CPUs/GPUs)
participating. Clients that exist to
participate already range from desktops and
tablets to game systems like PS3, abstracting
calculations from platforms and processors,
and sometimes available to run in virtual box
on a machine to keep them separate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">It could be nice to earn a
return on this type of computation, current
projects through BOINC are largely in the
realm of university research and all
participant volunteer their resources. I'm not
sure what types of commercial work loads might
be willing to pay for this type of computing
resource. It does seem to limit types of jobs
to data sets that can be batch divided into
parallel units, to work large problem spaces.
That brings to mind more research uses, and
not many commercial uses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">Perhaps computational
modeling for research and development (like
failure testing several potential models), or
analysis of geological mining survey data, or
process flow analysis for large manufacturing
and distribution systems. But it makes me
think most of marketing analysis with the
current focus in big data projects from
corporate environments I see in articles and
instructional materials.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:19
PM Chuck Petras <<a
href="mailto:Chuck_Petras@selinc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Chuck_Petras@selinc.com</a>>
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the below where a company wants to rent your
smartphone as a cloud computing resource.
From a few years ago there was a company
making space heaters that contained servers
to compute and heat your house.<o:p></o:p></p>
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there any classes of problems that would be
monitizeable in a grid computing environment
to make those efforts financially viable?<o:p></o:p></p>
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Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?<o:p></o:p></p>
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[eejournal.com]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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