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      <blockquote type="cite">An now back to your regularly scheduled
        discussion where Carol Merrill is standing.</blockquote>
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    <p>For the millenials (like Ryan) that won't get that reference.
      Hell, I didn't get that reference, either, and I'm Gen X. That
      means Jeff is (does the math) really old. <br>
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    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Merrill">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Merrill</a></p>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Prentice</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/9/19 8:49 AM, Jeffrey Layton
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>Very serious. Someone does need help - and culture needs
          changing (i.e. OpenMP). But apologies for posting this here.
          I've been watching for OpenMP-Nazis and it looks like I found
          one.</div>
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        <div>Again - apologies for posting about this to the list.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>An now back to your regularly scheduled discussion where
          Carol Merrill is standing.</div>
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        <div>Jeff</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:16 AM
          John Hearns via Beowulf <<a
            href="mailto:beowulf@beowulf.org" moz-do-not-send="true">beowulf@beowulf.org</a>>
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            <div>Seriously? Wha.. what? Someone needs to get help.</div>
            <div>And it wasn't me. I am a member of the People's Front
              of Julia.</div>
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            <div>(contrived Python reference intentional)</div>
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            <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, 8 May 2019 at
              22:57, Jeffrey Layton <<a
                href="mailto:laytonjb@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">laytonjb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="auto">I wrote some OpenACC articles for HPC
                Admin Magazine. A number of pro-OpenMP people attacked
                me on twitter (you know, OpenACC sucks, OpenMP is
                great). I received a private email threatening to kill
                me and my family if I didn't stop writing about OpenACC.
                Given your pro-OpenMP, anti-OpenACC stance, using the
                same tone as the threatening email, I wondered if that
                email came from you.
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                <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, May 8, 2019,
                  17:48 Richard Walsh <<a
                    href="mailto:rbwcnslt@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">rbwcnslt@gmail.com</a>>
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                    Huh ... ??  Weird, scary ... 
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                    <div>Just MHO. Dropping off this thread now ... </div>
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                    <div>rbw<br>
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                            On May 8, 2019, at 4:29 PM, Jeffrey Layton
                            <<a href="mailto:laytonjb@gmail.com"
                              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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                            wrote:<br>
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                              <div dir="auto">I was just pointing out
                                that gcc has Open ACC capability on AMD
                                GPUs.
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                                <div dir="auto">I didn't realize you
                                  part of the OpenMP Nazis. Were you the
                                  one that threatened me and my family
                                  because I wrote about OpenACC?</div>
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                                <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On
                                  Wed, May 8, 2019, 15:48 Richard Walsh
                                  <<a
                                    href="mailto:rbwcnslt@gmail.com"
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                                    Jeffry/All,
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                                    <div>Yes ... but given the choice of
                                      using OpenACC or OpenMP (if you
                                      are not going to write CUDA-HIP
                                      code for that extra 10% of
                                      performance) which captures most
                                      (all?) of the features of OpenACC,
                                      is a standard likely to outlive
                                      OpenACC, and should run on any
                                      vendor’s  accelerators, including
                                      whatever Intel comes up with ...
                                      why would you write in OpenACC ...
                                      ??  </div>
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                                    <div>GNU supports OpenMP too ... in
                                      my view, PVM is to MPI as OpenACC
                                      is to OpenMP 4.5-5.0 ... </div>
                                    <div><br>
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                                    <div>Cheers!</div>
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                                    <div>rbw <br>
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                                        On May 8, 2019, at 2:36 PM,
                                        Jeffrey Layton <<a
                                          href="mailto:laytonjb@gmail.com"
                                          rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank"
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                                        wrote:<br>
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                                            <div>Don't forget that gcc
                                              supports both NV and AMD
                                              GPUs with OpenACC. That's
                                              one of the lead compilers
                                              listed on the Frontier
                                              specs.</div>
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                                            <div>Jeff</div>
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                                              dir="ltr">On Wed, May 8,
                                              2019 at 3:29 PM Richard
                                              Walsh <<a
                                                href="mailto:rbwcnslt@gmail.com"
                                                rel="noreferrer
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                                              wrote:<br>
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                                              All,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Cray has deprecated
                                              support for in OpenACC in
                                              light of the OpenMP 4.5
                                              and 5.0 standards, and
                                              their target and data
                                              directives. NVIDIA’s PGI
                                              Compiler group will keep
                                              OpenACC going for a while,
                                              but on AMD devices ...
                                              maybe not.  That Cray will
                                              support only OpenMP on
                                              Frontier seems to be a
                                              logical certainty.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              So if you or yours want to
                                              run at speed on Frontier
                                              you should bone up on
                                              ROCm, HIP and OpenMP
                                              4.5-5.0 ... <br>
                                              <br>
                                              :-)<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Cheers!<br>
                                              <br>
                                              rbw<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Sent from my iPhone<br>
                                              <br>
                                              > On May 8, 2019, at
                                              12:47 PM, Jörg
                                              Saßmannshausen <<a
                                                href="mailto:sassy-work@sassy.formativ.net"
                                                rel="noreferrer
                                                noreferrer"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">sassy-work@sassy.formativ.net</a>>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > Dear all,<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > I think the answer to
                                              the question lies here:<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > <a
                                                href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenACC"
                                                rel="noreferrer
                                                noreferrer noreferrer"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenACC</a><br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > As I follow these
                                              things rather loosely, my
                                              understanding was that
                                              OpenACC <br>
                                              > should run on both
                                              nVidia and other GPUs. So
                                              maybe that is the reason
                                              why it <br>
                                              > is a 'pure' AMD
                                              cluster where both GPUs
                                              and CPUs are from the same
                                              supplier?<br>
                                              > IF all of that is
                                              working out and if it is
                                              really true that you can
                                              compile <br>
                                              > and run OpenACC code
                                              on both types of GPUs, it
                                              would a be big win for
                                              AMD.<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > Time will tell!<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > All the best from my
                                              TARDIS!<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > Jörg<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              > Am Dienstag, 7. Mai
                                              2019, 16:59:48 BST
                                              schrieben Sie:<br>
                                              >>>  I think it
                                              is interesting that they
                                              are using AMD for<br>
                                              >>> <br>
                                              >>> both the CPUs
                                              and GPUs<br>
                                              >> <br>
                                              >> I agree. That
                                              means a LOT of codes will
                                              have to be ported from
                                              CUDA to<br>
                                              >> whatever AMD
                                              uses. I know AMD announced
                                              their HIP interface to
                                              convert<br>
                                              >> CUDA code into
                                              something that will run on
                                              AMD processors, but I
                                              don't<br>
                                              >> know how well
                                              that works in theory.
                                              Frankly, I haven't heard
                                              anything<br>
                                              >> about it since it
                                              was announced at SC a few
                                              years ago.<br>
                                              >> <br>
                                              >> I would not be
                                              surprised if AMD pursued
                                              this bid quite
                                              agressively,<br>
                                              >> possibly at a
                                              significant loss, for the
                                              opportunity to prove their
                                              GPUs<br>
                                              >> can compete with
                                              NVIDIA and demonstrate
                                              that codes can be
                                              successfully<br>
                                              >> converted from
                                              CUDA to something AMD GPUs
                                              can use to demonstrate GPU<br>
                                              >> users don't need
                                              to be locked in to a
                                              single vendor. If so, this
                                              could<br>
                                              >> be a costly
                                              gamble for the DOE and
                                              AMD, but if it pays off, I
                                              imagine it<br>
                                              >> could change
                                              AMD's fortunes in HPC.<br>
                                              >> <br>
                                              >>  "Win on Sunday,
                                              sell on Monday" doesn't
                                              apply just to cars.<br>
                                              >> <br>
                                              >> Prentice<br>
                                              >> <br>
                                              >>> On 5/7/19
                                              4:43 PM, Jörg
                                              Saßmannshausen wrote:<br>
                                              >>> Hi Prentice,<br>
                                              >>> <br>
                                              >>> that looks
                                              interesting and I hope it
                                              means I will finally get
                                              the neutron<br>
                                              >>> structure
                                              which was measured last
                                              year there! :-)<br>
                                              >>> <br>
                                              >>> On a more
                                              serious note: I think it
                                              is interesting that they
                                              are using AMD<br>
                                              >>> for both the
                                              CPUs and GPUs. It sounds
                                              at least very fast of what
                                              they<br>
                                              >>> want to
                                              build, lets hope their
                                              design will work as
                                              planned as well.<br>
                                              >>> <br>
                                              >>> All the best
                                              from London<br>
                                              >>> <br>
                                              >>> Jörg<br>
                                              >>> <br>
                                              >>> Am Dienstag,
                                              7. Mai 2019, 10:32:42 BST
                                              schrieb Prentice Bisbal
                                              via <br>
                                              > Beowulf:<br>
                                              >>>> ORNL's
                                              Frontier System has been
                                              announced:<br>
                                              >>>> <br>
                                              >>>> <a
href="https://www.hpcwire.com/2019/05/07/cray-amd-exascale-frontier-at-oak-ridg"
                                                rel="noreferrer
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                                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.hpcwire.com/2019/05/07/cray-amd-exascale-frontier-at-oak-ridg</a><br>
                                              >>>> e/<br>
                                              > <br>
                                              >
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