<div dir="ltr"><div><div>A consumer product has to provide more than performance. For example, just last night I ordered a WYSE thin client to send to a friend for her kids to use. It cost me $20.00. New, it is still available as a $400.00 machine. The new/used price change (in four years with an unknown amount of use) is -95%. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Does that make you think twice about putting your newest ideas on a government shelf?</div><div>I like the link above:<br></div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X87" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>X87</a></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X87" target="_blank"><br></a></div>I had no idea x86 began its life as a co-processor chip, now it is not even a product at all. Of course I could have missed it, in the eighties unless it had to do with Pitfall or Zork I was oblivious.<br><br></div>Jonathan<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Scott Atchley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:e.scott.atchley@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.scott.atchley@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Some of the research has already made it into products and more is slated for future products. As with all research, some did not pan out, but that is to be expected.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 7:58 AM, C Bergström <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbergstrom@pathscale.com" target="_blank">cbergstrom@pathscale.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Actually, the better question is, which vendor received funds and actually made a useful solution that can go production with the deliverables. From my view it seems like history is repeating itself[1] and I wish more people would wake up. The top down approach to funding scientific research and the in-fighting between labs is just too much nonsense. If these research projects were a start-up, it would have failed hard.<br><br> [1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X87" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>X87</a><br><br><br></div><div class="m_-5457335038143218138HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5457335038143218138h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Scott Atchley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:e.scott.atchley@gmail.com" target="_blank">e.scott.atchley@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hmm, can you name a large processor vendor who has not accepted US government research funding in the last five years? See DOE's FastForward, FastForward2, DesignForward, DesignForward2, and now PathForward.</div><div class="m_-5457335038143218138m_-2541645413227176884HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5457335038143218138m_-2541645413227176884h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Jonathan Engwall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:engwalljonathanthereal@gmail.com" target="_blank">engwalljonathanthereal@gmail.<wbr>com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Maybe they felt married to government sponsorship while the competition has found a way to compete with itself.<br><a href="http://www.nag.co.za/2017/10/26/amd-launches-ryzen-processor-with-radeon-vega-graphics-for-notebooks/" target="_blank">http://www.nag.co.za/2017/10/2<wbr>6/amd-launches-ryzen-processor<wbr>-with-radeon-vega-graphics-for<wbr>-notebooks/</a><br></div>Maybe such a huge contract even looks too good to be true.<br></div><div class="m_-5457335038143218138m_-2541645413227176884m_8679859879397116117HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5457335038143218138m_-2541645413227176884m_8679859879397116117h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:06 AM, Mikhail Kuzminsky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kus@free.net" target="_blank">kus@free.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><br>
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Unfortunately I did not find the english version, but Andreas <br>
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Essentially yes Xeon Phi is not continued, but a new design called Xeon-H is coming. <br>
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Yes, and Xeon-H has close to KNL codename - Knights Cove. May be some important (for HPC) microarchitecture features will remain.<br>
But in any case stop of Xeon Phi give pluses for new NEC SX-Aurora.<br>
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Mikhail Kuzminsky<br>
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Zelinsky Institute<br>
of Organic Chemistry<br>
Moscow<div class="m_-5457335038143218138m_-2541645413227176884m_8679859879397116117m_1532585210651365606HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5457335038143218138m_-2541645413227176884m_8679859879397116117m_1532585210651365606h5"><br>
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