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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The problem with that measuring
      citations is that it  can take several years (sometimes decades)
      for a research paper to gain traction, which might be a longer
      time horizon that we have to show the ROI on an HPC investment. <br>
      <br>
      While we're at it, we could through in someone's Erdos number in
      see how having access to HPC resources affects that. That's
      typically only relevant to mathematicians, though. <br>
      <br>
      Regarding Andrew Wiles, I saw him on campus on a regular basis
      when I worked at IAS. One day, while driving home from work,
      decided to cross the street right as I got the green light (which
      meant he should have stayed on the sidewalk - a VERY common
      problem in Princeton), and I had to slam on my breaks to avoid
      hitting him. I later told a friend I almost ran over Andrew Wiles.
      Of course, the response was "who's that?" <br>
      <br>
      --<br>
      Prentice<br>
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      On 11/26/2013 09:54 AM, Peter St. John wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Oh there is another metric besides number of papers
        published; Citation Indexing and Impact Factor, the predecessors
        of Google "Page" Ranking.
        <div>Instead of counting papers, or counting citations to
          papers, you count citations weighted by their own citations,
          recursively.</div>
        <div>So one year Andrew Wiles publishes two papers. Those two
          papers are read by maybe six specialists in arithmetic
          algebraic geometry. But those six guys are read by many more,
          etc (the  recursion converges rapidly, which is why Page
          Ranking is so effective), so Wiles' Impact Factor is
          extravagant.</div>
        <div>Peter</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Tim
          Cutts <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <div>On 25 Nov 2013, at 23:03, Prentice Bisbal <<a
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                    wrote:</div>
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                      I went to a BoF on ROI on HPC investment. All the
                      presentations in<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      BoF frustrated me. Not because they were poorly
                      done, but because<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      tried to measure the value of a cluster by number
                      of papers<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      that used that HPC resource. I think that's a
                      crappy, crappy<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      but haven't been able to come up with a better one
                      myself yet. I<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      very vocal with my comments and criticisms of the
                      presentations, so<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      any of the presenters are reading this now, I
                      apologize for<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      your BoF. Getting good ROI on a cluster is close
                      to my heart,<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      is also difficult to quantify and measure. I hope
                      I can be part of<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      discussion next year.</span><br
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                <div>I can't think of another metric either.  At the top
                  of my organisation, publications are *the* key metric
                  that all scientists are judged on.  Publications are
                  *the* product of any scientific institution.  We don't
                  sell anything, so we can't measure revenue.  All we
                  can measure are papers published per unit time.  The
                  problem is that the publication of the paper is very
                  distant from the building of your compute
                  infrastructure, so it's very hard to put a sensible
                  number on ROI for this stuff.</div>
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                  <blockquote type="cite"><span
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                      The cover band 'London Calling' played the IBM
                      Platform<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      party again. Despite calling themselves 'London
                      Calling'<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      still do not play any Clash songs. They are a good
                      cover band, but<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      starting to get boring seeing the same band play
                      the same set year<span> </span></span><br
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                    <span
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                      year.</span><br
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              <div>It did at least have more atmosphere than either of
                the parties I went to earlier in the week, which were
                pretty much like drinking in a morgue.  I won't name
                them, but we probably all know which ones.  Both were at
                establishments on the 16th street Mall.  I had a lot
                more fun and useful conversation in bars after
                abandoning ship…</div>
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                <div>Tim</div>
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