taking this thread off on another tangent here though. using bio fules might be good for now but is actually creating lots of problems. the end all solution would to be to use hydrogen as the fuel source. put water in the car gets broken down through hydrolysis and the water which is exhaust is recycled back into the system. no need for fueling stations because a convenient source of water would be your outside your door<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Mike Davis <<a href="mailto:jmdavis1@vcu.edu">jmdavis1@vcu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Vincent Diepeveen wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>Some 3d world country managers are begging to adress this issue: "My nations people die,<br>as your bio fuel raises our food prices, the poor are so poor here, they use that stuff as food<br>
and cannot afford it now".<br><br>USA nor Europe can *never* produce that stuff as cheap as 3d world countries can.<br><br></blockquote>Since my uncle held a patent on an Alcohol Fuel still, and my grandfather grew corn, I have a somewhat different view. I'm not sure where your information is coming from. According to <a href="http://www.earth-policy.org/" target="_blank">http://www.earth-policy.org/</a>, the US produced 414 Million tons of grain last year. Of that total 81 Million tons were used for fuel and 106 Million tons were exported. While it might be less expensive to produce grain in the 3rd world, the top exporter of Corn, Rice and Wheat for the world is the US. <a href="http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2008/Update69_data.htm#table10" target="_blank">http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2008/Update69_data.htm#table10</a><br>
<br><br><a href="http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2008/Update69_data.htm#table9" target="_blank">http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2008/Update69_data.htm#table9</a><br><br>Now since corn prices have been rather stagnant until recently for almost 30 years and since I know farmers that have burned corn for heat rather than sell at a loss. I see the increase in grain prices as neutral. Yes, there are bad results for the third world. But those farmers growing grain deserve a fair price for the work and uncertainty of agriculture.<br>
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