<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On 30 Aug 2007, at 13:10, Tim Cutts wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 29 Aug 2007, at 9:22 am, Walid wrote:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What do HPC sites use for configuration/change management, and configuration</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">monitoring other than cfengine, pupet (agent based), are there any agentless</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">monitoring tools available to check for inconsistencies of of a node from</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">other nodes, or deviation from a policy.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">We use cfengine.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>But it's not agentless.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Think about it.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>How can you possibly have an agentless program to do what you want to do?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>You have to have an agent program, because at least some of the configuration files are going to be resident on the node itself, and those files cannot be read from an external process without running an agent on the node.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Nagios can be agentless, but it won't tell you anything about deviation of config files on the machine; all it will do is tell you whether the machine is up and monitor whether it's running appropriate services.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Unless you create the relevant mibs that is and then it's all under snmp... which of course is yet another agent :-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Pete</DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Tim</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; 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