[Beowulf] [OT] MPI-haters
cbergstrom at pathscale.com
Sun Mar 6 16:15:32 PST 2016
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 5:58 AM, Justin Y. Shi <shi at temple.edu> wrote:
> Thanks for the questions.
> The impossibility was theoretically proved that it is impossible to
> implement reliable communication in the face of [either sender or receiver]
> crashes. Therefore, any parallel or distributed computing API that will
> force the runtime system to generate fixed program-processor assignments are
> theoretically incorrect. This answer is also related to your second
> question: the impossibility means 100% reliable communication is impossible.
> Ironically, 100% reliable packet transmission is theoretically and
> practically possible as proved by John and Nancy for John's dissertation.
> These two seemingly conflicting results are in fact complementary. They
> basically say that distributed and parallel application programming cannot
> rely on the reliable packet transmission as all of our current distributed
> and parallel programming APIs assume.
> Thus, MPI cannot be cost-ineffective in proportion to reliability, because
> of the impossibility. The same applies to all other APIs that allows direct
> program-program communications. We have found that the <key, value> APIs are
> the only exceptions for they allow the runtime system to generate dynamic
> program-device bindings, such as Hadoop and Spark. To solve the problem
> completely, the application programming logic must include the correct
> retransmission discipline. I call this Statistic Multiplexed Computing or
> SMC. The Hadoop and Spark implementations did not go this far. If we do
> complete the paradigm shift, then there will be no single point failure
> regardless how the application scales. This claim covers all computing and
> communication devices. This is the ultimate extreme scale computing
> These answers are rooted in the statistic multiplexing protocol research
> (packet switching). They have been proven in theory and practice that 100%
> reliable and scalable communications are indeed possible. Since all HPC
> applications must deploy large number of computing units via some sort of
> interconnect (HP's The Machine may be the only exception), the only correct
> API for extreme scale HPC is the ones that allow for complete
> program-processor decoupling at runtime. Even the HP machine will benefit
> from this research. Please note that the 100% reliability is conditioned by
> the availability of the "minimal viable set of resources". In computing and
> communication, the minimal set size is 1 for every critical path.
> My critics argued that there is no way statistic multiplexed computing
> runtime can compete against bare metal programs, such as MPI. We have
> evidences to prove the opposite. In fact SMC runtime allows dynamic
> adjustments of processing granularity without reprogramming. Not only we can
> prove faster performances using heterogeneous processor but also homogeneous
> processors. We see this capability is critical for extracting efficiency out
> of HPC clouds.
I always get lost in the fancy words of research papers - Is the
source to any of this open? How could just a normal guy like me
reproduce or independently verify your results?
I'm not sure at what level you're talking sometimes - at the network
level we have things like TCP (instead of UDP) when it comes to
ensuring that packet level reliability is ensured - at a data level
you have ACID compliant databases for storage.. there are lots of
technology on the "web" side which are commonly used and required
since the "internet" is inherently unstable/unreliable. In my mind
"exascale" machines will need to be programmed with a more open view
of what is or isn't. Should we continue to model everything around the
communication or switch focus to more of resolving data dependencies
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